Appeasing terrorists begets more terrorism
Published on March 16, 2004 By Istari In Politics
What do you call someone who, when confronted with a bully, chooses to give in to the bully's demands without a struggle? Answer: A coward. Sadly, the Spanish people have expressed their collective cowardice by switching, after the unjustified attack on their people, from a government commited to battling bullies to one that appeases them.

Lesson learned? Murder innocents prior to an election and you stand a chance to influence their elections. So Spanish cowardice will create an incentive for terrorists to strike at Great Britain, Poland, and the United States to see if they can affect their elections. The blood of those victims will be on the hands of the terrorists and the Spanish voters who switched from supporting the prior government to the socialist party that yesterday declared that it would pull its troops out of Iraq.

Now Americans, Britains, Poles, and others can look forward to heighted terrorist threats and likely terrorist attacks right before their elections thanks to their success in Spain.

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on Mar 16, 2004

Here's an interesting article on the matter:


http://www.coldfury.com/Sasha/archives/004682.html#004682

on Mar 16, 2004
I think it is worse than cowardice. This sentiment isn't anything new. The Spanish majority have hated the Iraqi war since the beginning, but they didn't get their way. Now, in spite of the fact that the war is over, and in spite of the fact that the Iraqi people need support and protection, they are pulling out their troops to make a statement. All the humanitarian bullshit was just excuses not to side with the US. They never cared about the Iraqi people, or they would stay and provide protection with their token military presence. It isn't cowardice, it is apathy, spite.
on Mar 16, 2004
Has Spain helped the Kerry Campaign ?
Will Al queda put a democrat in the White House ?

I hope the American public can sustain another attack without adopting the protectionist/cowardice policy of the Europeans.
on Mar 16, 2004
Not the same possibility here. Kerry and Bush will maintain the war on terror.  There is no election scenario that involves the US pulling its troops out. Bombing the US would likely result in a more aggressive US position.
on Mar 16, 2004
But you dont care what europe thinks.
So why the upset when we act in our best (short-term) intrest?
Let the Murderers focus on making America bleed and i can live out my life in
tranquility. You dont care what i think so why should i do anything you whant?
Its simple school-yard politics. And America i curently acting like the bigboy bully.

You whant to bleed alone? fine. You dont? maybe you should care what youre ally thinks.
on Mar 16, 2004

The United States doesn't intentionally try to do things that will harm innocents in Europe.

But it's not just that, it's about one's national character. The US could have done the same thing on 9/11. Could have meekly backed off and let the French or Germans or other westerners with overt presences in the middle east by the next target. But we didn't because we don't cave in to bullies.

The US a bully? We're not the ones murdering innocent civilians en masse in an effort to cow them to our point of view. If we were a bully, the US would simply start nuking any European city that got out of line. That's a bully. That's what Al Qaeda would do if they had the means. But they don't. They don't mainly because of the work of the US and UK to prevent Al Qaeda from having that means.

It's a pity you aren't seemingly capable of coming to the obvious rational conclusion: Al Qaeda is the bully. THEY are the ones running around exterminating innocents. The US just happened to be one of the many countries that has figured out that the only way you stop bullies is to stand up to them.  The Spanish, apparently, think that the way to stop bullies is to suck up to them.

When the US starts bombing European nations that don't do what we want, then you can call us bullies.

on Mar 16, 2004
I agree with Brad. If we were as evil as some think then we would be paying about $0.20 a gallon for gas because we would own the Iraqi oil fields.
on Mar 16, 2004
I dont disagree with the result. The world is a better place without Sadam and all Al Qaeda should be shoot.
But, is making youre allys upset the right way to go about things? The same allys that whent to war when
mr Bush Senior whent to war with iraq.

And the CIA is a very good tool, they help USSR out of afganistan. Could the not have assisted a revolt in iraq?
on Mar 16, 2004

I am not sure what point you're trying to make in that last post.

The CIA didn't help the USSR in Afghanistan. The USA supplied stinger missiles to the resistance which drove the USSR out. But that only worked because the USSR was a foreign invader. It is a lot easier to help someone fight off a foreign invasion force than it is to overthrow a stable government -- particularly one that is ruled by fear and oppression as was the case in Iraq.

Even with the US's help, Iraq is having a hard time putting together a government now. There was no coherent resistance in Iraq.

on Mar 16, 2004
A lot of anti european here...

Spanish didn't react like US after 3/11, well, they have been suffering from ETA terrorists from quiet a long time now, You're very insulting against them and their 15 years of loss by ETA by calling them coward.

Part of their reactions can be attributed to the opposition against the war ,but as OG san pointed in another post here. In spite of their government, spanish were, in their great majority, against the war but would have still reelected Aznar before the attack. They change their mind probably due to the way the PP handled the crisis ,by trying to convince the public of ETA involvment in spite of growing evidences muslim fundamentalism. Thousands have been demonstrating for the truth to be known, sometime leading to riot and police intervention.

You can regret that such a small number of terrorists, can kill that much and have so much influence of a democracy.
If you remind US before 9/11 and do the comparison with Bush, you could see that Al quaida did influence american policy too...

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on Mar 16, 2004
agree with Brad. If we were as evil as some think then we would be paying about $0.20 a gallon for gas because we would own the Iraqi oil fields.


If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, I could argue that Bush has arranged for private oil companies (with which he would, of course, be associated) to assume control of the Iraqi oil, in which case they would control even more of the world's supply, in which case they could collude to drive the prices even higher.
on Mar 16, 2004
If you remind US before 9/11 and do the comparison with Bush, you could see that Al quaida did influence american policy too...

Of course they did by drawing military attention. And if they attack again I would bet the USA would show even more resolve.
on Mar 16, 2004
If I were a conspiracy theorist, which I am not, I could argue that Bush has arranged for private oil companies (with which he would, of course, be associated) to assume control of the Iraqi oil, in which case they would control even more of the world's supply, in which case they could collude to drive the prices even higher.

Well now that you mention it, you see there is this group called the illuminati that controls the world, and they......
on Mar 16, 2004
Well not so stable. http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/H/HusseinS.html
Both the Kurdish people and the Shiite, could have had som help. But i see youre point.
Could then a coherent resistance not have been build up ?

We know that what mr. Blair said about WMD is a lie. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1113536,00.html
So why the rush to go to war? Why not take it a bit slower and have all the allys on board. That way
it might have been a more coherent effort from all of the western world.
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