You can't fool Archive.org
Published on August 2, 2005 By Istari In WinCustomize News

Editorial:
deviantART is possibly the most popular art community on the Internet. Its community has been friends with our community since the beginning of this site. Its adminstrators have hung out here and WC's admins have hung out there. With milliosn of visitors a month, dA seems on the precipe of huge success. But last week, the company that owns deviantART fired the popular community founder Scott Jarkoff (aka "Jark").

More troubling has been the seemingly rewriting of history. Most long time members of the skinning community remember that it was Jark and his friend Matteo who founded and nursed deviantART. That it was their site and their vision. Such communities regularly get bought out by companies but rarely are the original founders rewritten to be minor players in the tail.

The CEO of the company that owns deviantART wrote this in response to the recent uproar over the dismissal of Jark: Spyed's response:Link

Excerpt:

"jark and I have worked together on deviantART from day 1. A little bit after the first year, we were joined by $mccann who created the Sonique MP3 player back in 1998. He began providing us with technical and financial assistance to keep it going.

Before this, deviantART was quite small and the costs of operation were nominal. With it's rapid growth thereafter, it began costing an arm and a leg to operate.

I was the first person to work on deviantART full time in 2002, and am also the only co-founder who took the risk of working with no salary at all. That is how much I believe in this community. I have dedicated my life to it. The other two co-founders have never worked fulltime on deviantART. They have always had either college, or a full-time job to contend with. Without question, especially in the early to mid parts of deviantART's life, Scott (°jark) sacraficed all of his available free time. And this was a significant sacrifice.

The second fulltime employee of deviantART was $chris at around the same time I joined in 2002. He was our CTO; today he manages our architecture.

I personally hand built and "installed" deviantART's first 35 servers. Chris rebuilt and maintained all of deviantART's code-base, servers and architecture beginning in 2002. We're talking math, computer science, architecture. That kind of stuff."

But Archive.org's caching of deviantART doesn't support these claims. deviantART was founded in late 2000 and even going forward into 2001, Spyed is not listed on the contact page. Why would a founder of the site not be listed on the contact page? Even using their dates -- 2002, that's a full two years after deviantART was founded which is a long time in the Internet world. By then, deviantART was already a success. Archive.org cashes throughout 2001 and into 2002 all list Jark, Matteo and a handful of others as the ones in charge, no mention of Spyed at all. It wasn't until mid 2002 before Angelo Sotira began being mentioned as CEO of "deviantART, Inc.", two years after the site's founding.

This isn't to diminish the importance of good business, capital, and infrastructure in deviantART's successful history. But deviantART wasn't founded in mid 2002. It was founded in 2000. Had deviantART been founded in 2002, even with the investment their CEO had lined up, it is unlikely that deviantART would be where it is today. deviantART's success was was a matter of timing. It was one of the few established art-related community sites left when the dot-com crashed in 2001. Through the efforts of its original community founders, it was in a position by 2002/2003 to be taken to the next level by investors. Both the company and the community founders were crucial in the site's success. But it is unenthical to discount the critical contribution that a couple of visionaries had, back in 2000, to create deviantART in the first place.
 


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on Aug 02, 2005
I am stunned to see so many people leaving DA right now. This is not over yet. I too will leave if nothing chnages. I too have been there a looong time (lurked for awhile before I signed up).

However, if we all just leave now (treetog) then who will call that usurping @#$! to task?

Anyway, I certainly understand -- I have to actively resist the urge to wipe all my stuff away and leave too. I just want to wait and try to speak my mind in the community awhile longer.
on Aug 02, 2005
And that is irregardless of the corporate (and legally actionable) malfeasance


Not to nitpick, but in such an otherwise eloquent post I was surprised to see "irregardless".
Link


While I can understand the urge to desert dA right now, I haven't done so myself. Now, while keeping an open mind without all the facts, I do "support Jark." In that I mean I love the concept of dA, and what it is/was. And I know that is down to him. Also, from what I have read it seems he was probably unjustly terminated, but then again, all I know for certain is that he is upset. Neither jark nor spyed have given the story (un-anonymously) of what actually went down this past week. I'm sure they have their reason, but nevertheless I have no facts on which to form a final opinion.

But, I remain at dA, and just submitted one of my finest deviations yesterday. How can I do this while leaning towards jark's side? Well, for one thing I am not aware that jark desires a breakdown and abandonment of the community he created. jark's deviations remain posted, as will my meager ones until more is known.

I realize my opinion has little value. While I lurked dA for many years, I joined less than one year ago. And my wallpapers and skins are amateur in quality. I also don't know jark personally at all. But I was aware of him, and his role in creating what I very much admire. So he has my utmost respect; I just hope that some real, trustworthy explaination comes forth soon.
on Aug 02, 2005

Yes...when you look at current events...[with the benefit of hind-sight]... there's not too many ways the situation can be explained.

In fact the only LOGICAL explanation is to place veracity in 'that email'.  No alternate premise fits.

The problem Spyed [and minions] have is that for the time being there are vocal supporters of the ousted jark who remember events of history differently to the current 'spin' and therefore MUST dismiss the Administration's version of the present situation.

This 'new' Administration clearly is banking on the universal ennui of it's community, or its youthful ignorance, to see them through, hence the clouding of the situation by NOT IP-banning jark from the outset....and suggesting it's business as usual instead....just the deckchairs have been re-arranged.

When I hopefully catch up to Scott one-on-one I hope to get some details filled in...but probably won't be able to communicate them.....pending further 'fun and games'....

on Aug 02, 2005
on Aug 02, 2005
it's so interesting seeing stardock's top guns watching this too. here's hoping it works out and jark gets his DA back
on Aug 02, 2005
Just got something interesting here ..(bit funny)

Link
on Aug 02, 2005
Just found Jark's reponse Link and Link
on Aug 02, 2005
The thing that gets to me more than anything else is this concept of name dropping. If someone is a successful business man, running a business that is based around a community that is very anti-suit/anti-establishment, is it really in your best interest to notify them of just how close to THE MAN you are.

Basically what I see is some guy trying to make a power grab and justify his own self importance by notifying the community of his association with "smart people". Oooh! Aaaaah! He must be right he knows Ovitz.... Ooooooh! Disney. MP3.com. Customize.org. Skinz.org. Music. MBA. Lawyers. Whirlwinds. Rushing.... Oh I'm dizzy... It's all so exciting. I think I might need to fly to Greece for a couple of months.

What? Are we in highschool still? You create a name for yourself not by pointing out to other people what great things you've done, or by pointing out what great people you have been close to, but instead by GETTING OTHER PEOPLE TO POINT OUT YOUR GREATNESS.

It's so funny that this guy just KNOWS how influencial he was to the success of dA. However noone out there has really recognized him for anything specific that he's done (aside from asserting his own greatness).

Sad.
on Aug 03, 2005
Not to nitpick, but in such an otherwise eloquent post I was surprised to see "irregardless".


It's a nonstandard usage, but yes, if there had been a spellchecker here, I would have caught it. As is, it won't let me edit/correct it, so what the heck?
on Aug 03, 2005
Oooh! Aaaaah! He must be right he knows Ovitz.... Ooooooh! Disney. MP3.com. Customize.org. Skinz.org. Music. MBA. Lawyers. Whirlwinds. Rushing.... Oh I'm dizzy... It's all so exciting. I think I might need to fly to Greece for a couple of months.


What in the WORLD are you talking about and/or referring to?! It doesn't seem to be anything posted here in the comments or in the article. Can you please provide us a link to whatever you are ranting on about? Thanks.
on Aug 03, 2005
Me -->is a deviant since Aug 7, 2000, 2:59 AM

Granted, the "Deviantart" he is refering to is the corporate entity, I assume, not the site as a whole. I never got very involved, but I know from lurking that there were hardships pre-2002, and it took dedication to the project to keep it going.

I have no doubt that it has become as successful as it has through great work by current operator, but frankly most people would have given up on the monstrous 'hobby' site before 2002. Without those times, the current operator wouldn't have had anything to build on.
on Aug 03, 2005

What in the WORLD are you talking about and/or referring to?! It doesn't seem to be anything posted here in the comments or in the article.

Read spyed's comments and you'll understand.  There is *a lot* of history behind all this.

If the letter posted on the wen is true, and Jark has 35% of shares of the company, there is no way that they could vote in board members without his acknowledgment unless they have the most bizarre bylaws.  Any action like that requires a super-majority (66.6%) vote, which you couldn't have without his vote.

Excalpius, I know that you were picked on about "irregardless" already, but I can't help but mention this: it's "breach" not "breech".  Trust me, they are far from meaning the same.   Not that a spell checker will help on that one, but if you want an easy spell checker, check out iespell.

 

on Aug 03, 2005
is a deviant since Dec 8, 2000, 3:27 AM

Looks to me like Jarko got a royal screwin' but it also appears that our favorite yellow alien has his ducks in a row and knows what he's doin'.

community is community and Deviant art will not be the same without jark just like this place would be wierd without Froggboy however I don't know how that applies to young members who don't know or weren't around as the community was starting out?
on Aug 03, 2005

Karma...the resident spell checker can distinguish between 'breech' and 'breach'.....even 'britches'....fear you not....Spell checker

Also, according to that email...jark was supposed to have 45% .... so it seems someone did some book-fiddling somewhere....

on Aug 03, 2005
Jark has posted his side of the story (the part he could...some details aren't there because of legal ramifications) in his latest journal.

I'd recommend EVERYONE read it. It does confirm a few things...

http://jark.deviantart.com/journal/6119826/
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