So now we can't even trust the temperature readings?
Published on December 7, 2009 By Istari In Politics

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/understanding_climategates_hid.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6738111/Climategate-reveals-the-most-influential-tree-in-the-world.html

At least before I thought we had agreed that the temperature was going up historically. The argument was supposed to be whether humans were the cause.

Now it turns out that even the temperature readings were doctored? 


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on Dec 09, 2009

Worldwide, companies are licking their lips at the prospect of new contracts and sales of green tech

The size of the green tech industry is far smaller than the 'non-green' industry though. There are far more losers than winners if human activity doesn't have a significant impact on global warming. This should also mean that politicians can have far greater kickback opportunities from opposing climate change than supporting it, since the 'non-green' industry will have bigger pockets.

Your average company for example will face increased costs from a green policy focus. Sure they can try and market it as being all responsible and green and try to get increased sales as a result, but when everyone is doing that it's not going to really make much if any difference to sales and will still be costing more.

You'd have to be one of the die-hard, it's raining polar bear, supporters to believe these cities would flood overnight

I didn't say they would. If it happened over say an entire year gradually, or 10 years, you'd still have a big reconstruction bill, because you just can't relocate a city's infrastructure and buildings etc.

on Dec 09, 2009

I didn't say they would. If it happened over say an entire year gradually, or 10 years, you'd still have a big reconstruction bill, because you just can't relocate a city's infrastructure and buildings etc.

These things will happen anyway.  Only a matter of when.  And we're fools if we think we can pick a date for it, like scheduling a doctor's appointment or something.

on Dec 09, 2009

like scheduling a doctor's appointment or something.

 

on Dec 09, 2009

This should also mean that politicians can have far greater kickback opportunities from opposing climate change than supporting it, since the 'non-green' industry will have bigger pockets.

I'm all for "green", maybe not the same reasons some here are. Believe me most companies have seen the writing on the wall years ago and are doing things to reduce emissions and/or conserve energy or resources. I just got a news letter from Ford the other day, touting how it has reduce it's use of water by 50% over the last few years. Even the largest industries (what is left of them) can ill-afford fines, fees, and taxes on the scale that is being floated.

The main problem I see from this administration, and like minded people, is that the answer is always to punish. By punish I mean tax, levy fees, etc. It's all about the dollars to them and what they can squeeze out. These dollars ultimately come from the tax payers and the consumers. If you applied the same logic to parenting, it would be call child abuse. If they really cared is would be driven 100% by incentives. I do realize that doesn't line anyones pockets, so therefore is not popular in Washington. It's far more easier, and profitable, to vilify a company or even an industry. We see how easy people have been blinded by crusades in the past, apparently nothing has changed.

on Dec 09, 2009

If they really cared is would be driven 100% by incentives. I do realize that doesn't line anyones pockets, so therefore is not popular in Washington. It's far more easier, and profitable, to vilify a company or even an industry. We see how easy people have been blinded by crusades in the past, apparently nothing has changed.

But it does line the member's of Congress pockets.  More taxes into the Federal pocket that can be spent in Pork spending.  Pork spending gets Congress reelected and hand picked company's contrabutions.

It is just another way for corrupt politicians to make money with your carbon tax dollars. 

Just look at how many of the carbon credits have already been reserved by selected big companies even before the bill has been past.  I am sure that those companies which are already on the carbon credit list have donated heavily to the key politicians writing the bill.  Can we say GE anyone?

on Dec 10, 2009

I'm all for "green", maybe not the same reasons some here are. Believe me most companies have seen the writing on the wall years ago and are doing things to reduce emissions and/or conserve energy or resources. I just got a news letter from Ford the other day, touting how it has reduce it's use of water by 50% over the last few years. Even the largest industries (what is left of them) can ill-afford fines, fees, and taxes on the scale that is being floated.

I'm with you NC, the problem I have is that this is being smoke and mirror agenda they have hijacked.  I heard it on NPR the other day say that this new Global Climate treaty is going to "bridge the gap between poor and industralized countries" then later following up with how Bolivia is saying that something like 250billion USD wasn't going to be enough that they needed more.  The underlying principle here is to tax the crapola out of the successfully industralized countries and redistribute the wealth in the name of Global Climate Change.  I don't understand why they mask it as a Global Climate Treaty why not be HONEST and call it the global redistribution treaty.  Compliments of Barack Obama, a war time President and Noble Peace Price Recipient.

 

on Dec 10, 2009

I heard it on NPR the other day say that this new Global Climate treaty is going to "bridge the gap between poor and industralized countries" then later following up with how Bolivia is saying that something like 250billion USD wasn't going to be enough that they needed more. The underlying principle here is to tax the crapola out of the successfully industralized countries and redistribute the wealth in the name of Global Climate Change.

Here's the kicker...Out of all the countries in the world, the US is one of the youngest. The rest of the world had its chance to develop, the same as the US has and they blew it. I feel no moral obligation to bring the rest of the world up to US standards, because of these nations unwillingness to properly manage their own resources, people, and governments. The US style of government is no secret, anyone could adopt it. Instead, it's just like anywhere, someone one has more they need to give it to me, I don't care how they got it, I want it too. These jokers in the government aren't going to be happy until we are a third world country ourselves. Seems Obama's change was to change the US into his ancestral home...Kenya.

on Dec 10, 2009

Here's the kicker...Out of all the countries in the world, the US is one of the youngest. The rest of the world had its chance to develop, the same as the US has and they blew it. I feel no moral obligation to bring the rest of the world up to US standards, because of these nations unwillingness to properly manage their own resources, people, and governments. The US style of government is no secret, anyone could adopt it. Instead, it's just like anywhere, someone one has more they need to give it to me, I don't care how they got it, I want it too. These jokers in the government aren't going to be happy until we are a third world country ourselves. Seems Obama's change was to change the US into his ancestral home...Kenya.

I find it ironic that China wants us to give them money from this treaty.  Isn't it China whom we are borrowing money from?

on Dec 10, 2009

Isn't it China whom we are borrowing money from?

I guess they won't be happy until they own us lock, stock, and barrel.

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